This is killing your results

Switching from one strategy to another because one performed better in the last handful of years is killing your long-term results. It’s essential to have a solid thesis behind any strategy you choose and let that be the reason for switching – not performance. Some methodologies can perform exceptionally well over five, ten, or even twenty years with inherent risks that outweigh the benefits. Many investment strategies thrive solely because they happen to coincide with a period of good fortune – not skill and not an edge. You have to learn how to identify the difference, which is without a doubt very difficult.

This is something we often see play out on platforms like C2, where hundreds of new strategies start, most fail, and a few survive for several years. People naturally think the ones that have survived for 4 or 5 years have an edge. However, it is rare that even the successful strategies that last for five years truly have an edge.

Consider a leveraged trend-following strategy trading the Nasdaq with 7x average leverage. This particular strategy would have had an annualized return of almost 116% for the last 4 years. Impressive, right? No!

This period was unusually favorable for that strategy. If we look further back, we see that it would have gone bankrupt almost three times in the last few decades.

The failure of a system mostly trading the Nasdaq with 7 times average leverage is highly likely in the long-term. It’s hard to beat an index in the long-run, and if you’re trading the Nasdaq with an average leverage of 7X, your index isn’t the S&P 500 anymore. A realistic comparison is 7X the Nasdaq with some simple trend following, which has terrible long-term results as you can see. You could try shorting the index too, but an index of shorting the Nasdaq with any level of leverage is horrendous, trend-following or not.

It’s crucial to thoroughly understand the risks associated with the trading methodologies you follow and to not follow a strategy simply because line go up, or quitting a strategy because line go down. And when I say strategy I don’t just mean a C2 strategy. This applies to mutual funds in your 401(k), C2 strategies, etc.

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Disclaimer

This is not investment advice for you. This website is designed to talk about investments but it is not designed to give you personalized investment advice. This site contains generic information that does not have the capability of taking your personal risk tolerance, goals, assets, or other factors into account. Therefore, this site and all of its related content is for entertainment, informational, and educational purposes only.

The owner of PatienceToInvest.com is also a trade leader on Collective2.com. We may receive compensation by promoting some collective2 strategies over others. Should you decide to make or avoid any investments or use any service due to the information on this site or related information you assume full responsibility and risks and will not hold howiinvest.com it’s associated sites or its owners responsible. You also acknowledge investing is risky and can result in the loss of all your capital and even more than your original capital in some cases.

C2 Rankings and Previous Results

Just received this nice question from someone and thought I would answer with a quick post.

I’m not at all sure how C2 determines their rankings but, to me, it appears as if HSA should be #1 when I compare it to the current #1 strategy. What am I missing? Thanks

Continue reading “C2 Rankings and Previous Results”

Found It

Reserving the right to be wrong, I think the strategy Found It on collective2 is extremely risky and likely won’t end well. Its equity curve looks perfect with only an 11% drawdown and 14 consecutive months of gains.

So what makes this strategy so risky?

Continue reading “Found It”

AI TQQQ and Similar

For a while AI TQQQ has been one of the most interesting watchlist strategies for me on Collective2. It came up on one of my screens yesterday. So I think it would be a good time to take a quick look at it.

Thoughts

QuantTiger in my view has been one of the most reasonable interlocutors on the C2 forums. I remember when their strategy AI TQQQ SQQQ swing was the most popular on C2. I like that the manger is using trades own system with somewhere in the ballpark of $300,000 plus of trades own system capital across their systems. I really like that they don’t use margin and the strategy is usable in an IRA. They have said they are a data scientist and have been trading for over 20 years which I tend to believe though I can’t prove it. I am very impressed that they stuck with their system through 2022 and have come out on top already in 2023. That takes guts and the knowledge that what you are doing makes sense. I would be more inclined to trade the long the market only system since I believe betting against the market successfully in the long run is at such a statistical disadvantage. The fact that QuantTiger has done so well with the 3X and -3X QQQ system is honestly very impressive. Machine learning is something I am not familiar with myself. I don’t know how to gauge whether or not there is a machine learning algorithm that really will be robust and do well long-term versus something that has worked well in this particular period.

Market Comparison

It is easy to see that AI TQQQ only swing has smashed the returns of QQQ and TQQQ over the strategies existence. In fact it actually did even better in terms of total return than a 200 SMA filter of TQQQ.

However, the drawdown was better with the SMA filter as was the annualized return/max drawdown.

Conclusion

This strategy is very interesting to me and is on my list of strategies to potentially subscribe to in the future. I just need some spare funds available, and it would be nice to have a bit more clarity on the machine learning/why I should expect it to work in the future. I would consider taking a chance without extra information if I have enough spare funds I want to diversify decision making on.

Disclaimer

This is not investment advice. This website is designed to talk about investments but it is not designed to give you personalized investment advice. This site is generic and should not be used as the basis for any investment decisions. This is for entertainment and educational purposes only.

The owner of PatienceToInvest.com is also a trade leader on Collective2.com. We may receive compensation by promoting some collective2 strategies over others.

Investing is risky and can result in the loss of all your capital and even more than your original capital in some cases.

SP 500 Futures Scalper Part 2

In part 1 I discussed how I found the strategies by Chris Page as interesting though I wasn’t sure I would subscribe myself yet. I have been following some of Chris’s conversations on the collective2.com forums and have found them quite interesting. He has said several things that give me more confidence in his ability. For example, clearly believes being long biased in stocks is likely the smart move, he isn’t under the assumption that you can just easily dial down drawdowns and keep similar levels of return, and he isn’t under the assumption that a simple trend following moving average is the solution. Those for me are all good points. The concerns I have is that in the forums the discussions are coming off as frustrated with questions and frustrated recent moves. I still think the strategies could turn out to be really good, but I am still going to wait longer. I also want to ad that the backtesting to 2020 on 1 minute bars still concerns me. I see it as completely plausible that a 1 minute system going back to 2020 through now could work fantastic while not working well from 2008 to 2020 or from 2024 to 2030. So I would like to see some rational as to why the leader believes it is robust.

Current Conlusion

More time will be needed to show if this is really a strategy worth following for me. I have added this strategy to my watchlist. For now I will wait and observe and hope to get some indication that the strategy is a good one for me to follow.

Disclaimer

This is not investment advice for you. This website is designed to talk about investments but it is not designed to give you personalized investment advice. This site contains generic information that does not have the capability of taking your personal risk tolerance, goals, assets, or other factors into account. Therefore, this site and all of its related content is for entertainment, informational, and educational purposes only.

The owner of PatienceToInvest.com is also a trade leader on Collective2.com. We may receive compensation by promoting some collective2 strategies over others. Should you decide to make or avoid any investments or use any service due to the information on this site or related information you assume full responsibility and risks and will not hold howiinvest.com it’s associated sites or its owners responsible. You also acknowledge investing is risky and can result in the loss of all your capital and even more than your original capital in some cases.